Proofs that can be derived from this video:
1) We always thought Joel Osteen interpreted the Bible wrong. Now we can rightly assume that he has simply never read it before (especially the New Testament).
2) If Joel Osteen is going to live under the law, at least he has the moxy to live under all of it, including the dietary laws.
3) If I could attain righteousness by switching to Turkey Bacon, I’m still not sure I could attain it.
4) Joel Osteen has moved up on all our lists from nuisance to Judaizer- an old Christian legalist heresy that said Gentiles must become Jewish and obey the Laws of Moses to truly be Christians- a heresy that’s explicitly condemned in the New Testament (see Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem).
5) Quote of the Decade: “Now, would all y’all quit being so rebellious?”.
Any thoughts on a new MB segment entitled: “Joel Osteen Quote of the Week?” Talk about your low hanging fruit…
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14 responses to “Joel Osteen: Crazier Than We First Thought?”
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Even if this guy weren't on television all over the world, he'd still be leading thousands astray every week. Look at the panoramic shot of the "sanctuary." It looks like the Galactic Senate scene from "Revenge of the Sith," when Palpatine declares himself emperor.
I guess you can chalk up Osteen as one who believes you can contract H1N1 from a barbecue sandwich.
"Vegetation"
I can't wait until his "Stone the Adulterers" sermon!
What are we getting bent out of shape about here? We learned that it only takes a pig 4 hours to fully digest food! That's good stuff!
Um, God says it's ok for us to eat buffalo?
Duh Nick, Enoch 7:32 AND 36.
Notwithstanding St. Peter's dream ("Kill and eat!"), and the fact that J.O. is a nut, what sayest thou about this from Matt 5?
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Charles – Great choice of Scripture. And if J.O. was using OT Scripture to show us our unrighteousness and need for Christ's blood in fulfillment of the law, then fine. But he's preaching an exhortation, implying that we can fulfill the law with, at most, "a little help from our friends." That passage is a reminder that the law still convicts in every particular.
Article VII: Of the Old Testament
The Old Testament is not contrary to the New: for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to Mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and Man, being both God and Man. Wherefore there are not to be heard, which feign that the old Fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the Law given from God by Moses, as touching Ceremonies and Rites, do not bind Christian men, nor the Civil precepts thereof ought of necessity to be received in any commonwealth; yet, notwithstanding, no Christian man whatsoever is free from the obedience of the Commandments which are called Moral.
He can remain with the Old Testament because he hasn't yet sinned – from the archives & VF:
"I'm sure I have. I mean, I think we've all sinned, so I can't say that I've never. I've never done anything you'd call 'terrible.' I haven't done drugs. Victoria's the only girl I've ever dated. I'm probably squeaky clean – I don't have to say it."
He's 47 so he's made it 14 years longer than Christ, and I guess that means he can make up whatever theology he wants.
@ Charles,
Similarly, many people have suggested "Jesus ate Kosher, we should too." Two thoughts regarding this line of thought:
1) Jesus is the only one who has done and taught the commandments. Everybody else has relaxed them and taught others to do likewise (Joel Osteen, for example, does not go so far to say that we shouldn't eat meat prepared with the same tools as unclean meat, a clear command in Torah. This is a relaxation of the law)
2) Regarding v.20, Christians have a righteousness apart from Sinai, (Romans 3:20), meaning that we indeed have a righteousness that surpasses that of the Pharisees, and that we will indeed enter the kingdom of heaven.
@dan
I can't wait for his sermon on circumcision
It's simply ludicrous…instead of holding Christ up as the example, he holds himself up to his 'congregation.' That is NOT preaching Christ…it's preaching himself.
He never WILL preach a "stone the adulterers" sermon, btw. 😉 He's far too inclusive and fuzzy on moral law…it's easier to gnaw at peoples' ankles about ceremonial stuff. Fewer people get offended.
Wow – as if seeing him on Larry King say that he's not sure that Jesus is the only way of salvation wasn't enough. Thanks for exposing this. And yes, I'm sure every deer carefully examines every meal to make sure it is clean and fresh, otherwise they'll leave it for the pig to eat.
I am speechless. This surpasses merely muddling the Gospel and marches whistling into the territory of genuine heresy. Its also a very poor understanding of animal habits.
BTW- Pigs are much cleaner in their daily habits than chickens, which are Kosher. Poorly dressed and kept chicken will kill the diner faster than pork any day.
If cleanliness was the universal basis for the Judaic mandates for permissible eating, how about some kitten stew?
I made it through 15 seconds….is that too little time to make a judgement call? Wow, if this hasn't made making fun of Joel reach the point of shooting pigs in a barrel, I don't know what has. It does, however, make me even more believe that the Gospel will always be a movement of people who are worse than all the rest.
Because you are worse than you will admit,
You can still be as happy as a pig in the stuff pigs wallow in.