Been waiting for the right opportunity to post a video of this talk, which I had the privilege of giving twice this past Fall. I actually prefer the San Diego one (from the Here We Still Stand conference – sorry, DC!), partly cause it’s a little more theological, partly cause the lighting was better–read into those signals what you will. But as I was ruminating on a possible ‘state of the union’-type New Years post, I realized it contained a good deal of what I’d want to say:

p.s. As you’ll discover, you can hear but not see the clips I reference. The second one makes sense without the video (read a description), but the first one from Curb Your Enthusiasm is a lot funnier if you can see Larry’s face.

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7 responses to “Can’t Stop the Signal: Enduring Hope for Divided Times”

1. Sean says:

   01/04/2018 at 3:16 pm

   Mine ended @ 49:03, where David says something to the effect of “Jesus went down into hell where people like you and me reside…”

   I heard the talk in D.C. but id really like to hear the rest of this. Kind of scary leaving off there…

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   • Doug Klembara says:

     01/05/2018 at 10:01 am

     Fixed it Sean. Thanks for the heads up.

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     • David Zahl says:

       01/05/2018 at 10:55 am

       Thanks so much Doug!

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   • David Zahl says:

     01/05/2018 at 10:56 am

     Glad Doug was able to fix it, but reminds me that I should’ve mentioned that I was drawing there on Fleming’s discussion of hell in The Crucifixion:

     “We are arguing here that drawing a line between between those who participate in horrors and those who do not is a dubious enterprise; all of us in one way or another are either potential perpetrators, potential participants, or (most likely) passive enablers of horrors. W. H. Auden embedded this conviction in his poem: “We shan’t, not since Stalin and Hitler, trust ourselves ever again.” If this is true, then the gospel has to be good news not only for the victims but also for the perpetrators. If we say that Jesus Christ descended into hell, perhaps we mean most of all the hell of the perpetrators – no just those who are in Sheol because they died, not just those who are in Limbo awaiting the Conqueror, but those who are in Gehenna under a sentence of everlasting condemnation.”

     The Crucifixion, at pp. 451-53 (italics in original).

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2. Sean says:

   01/05/2018 at 4:34 pm

   Thx Doug, and David for the quote. I hope this doesnt negatively reflect on anyone. Im nit-picky. And everything on this site is perfect.

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